In this episode, Ulises Granados returns to the podcast (see episode 1 on China) to discuss the ongoing nuclear crisis with North Korea. Ulises is usually quite calm about this (unlike me), but this time he is really worried. Which worries me even more. Spoiler alert: it's a game of chicken and someone has to back down to de-escalate the crisis otherwise it will get worse. You won't believe who Ulises thinks needs to back down. Listen to find out and comment at firstname.lastname@example.org.